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roli_s
 
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Post Posted November 27th, 2002, 6:49 am

As a user, I really love Phoenix, it's a great product.

But as a webmaster, I just can't recommend it to Netscape4 users. I just can't.

Please fix:

1) Phoenix needs a nice download page. If I link to http://mozilla.org/projects/phoenix/pho ... notes.html , the user will be greeted with a big intimidating warning that doesn't even apply to newcomers. Then he will have to scroll down several pages to find the download link. Just set up a small page with A FIXED URL THAT NEVER CHANGES and LINKS TO THE NEWEST STABLE RELEASES OF PHOENIX plus maybe links to the release notes. Also indicate to webmasters that this URL will never change and that they can link to that page. The page does not have to be especially pretty or flashy and it also doesn't need any graphics. Just a simple page with the download links AND NOT MUCH ELSE. Could be done in less than 10 Minutes.

2) Explain why people should use Phoenix. Modem users are most reluctant to upgrade browsers but features like link-prefetching, http pipelining and pop-up blocking benefit modem users most. All you got to do is tell them in a simple non-technical document. I have done something similar for Mozilla already: http://best-bets.cc/en/index.php/browserrecommendation If you are interested I'll send you an updated and extended version about Phoenix, just drop me a mail at r@hasos.com - It would be nice to have some "why phoenix?" icon that leads to an official Phoenix-advantages page.

3) Release Version 1.0. I had never had any serious stability problems with Phoenix, even with Version 0.1 But the lower than 1.0 Version number scares many people away and also means that reviewers don't take it seriously.

Thanks for listening

Ted Mielczarek
 
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Post Posted November 27th, 2002, 7:41 am

You make some good points, but as for releasing 1.0, they have a roadmap. When the developers have implemented everything they want to, they'll release 1.0. It's not simply a matter of being stable, there's also some extra functionality and polish to be had, as well as some mozilla leftovers to be removed still. It's great that people want to use Phoenix now, and it's great that you want to recommend it to others, but it's not done yet. If you don't want to recommend unfinished software to people, then set them up with Mozilla 1.0 or Netscape 7, which are fairly finished products.

Stefan

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Post Posted November 27th, 2002, 9:01 am

roli_s wrote:
1) Phoenix needs a nice download page. If I link to http://mozilla.org/projects/phoenix/pho ... notes.html


Perhaps this is better?
http://texturizer.net/phoenix/download.html


3) Release Version 1.0. I had never had any serious stability problems with Phoenix, even with Version 0.1 But the lower than 1.0 Version number scares many people away and also means that reviewers don't take it seriously.


Well, I think at the present users afraid of sub 1.0 software probably still should be scared away a bit. Developers are still ripping stuff out and putting new things in with 2 hands. Upgrades from 1 milestone to the next might also be quite complicated, since there is not even a certainty that you will be able to use your old profile.
If someone is looking for a slim stable feature rich version of Gecko for win but is afraid of beta software, K-Meleon is probably a much better choise. It has had 2+ years for development and maturing while Phoenix has had 3 months or so.
http://kmeleon.sourceforge.net/

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