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Post Posted September 13th, 2018, 3:30 pm

frg wrote:Well with Webassembly and service workers in the future no one needs to tell me about better security :)

Full Ack!
frg wrote:Personally i think they were discontinued so fast because they were unable to make all this work properly with e10s.

Waterfox works fine with all my legacy extensions in multi-process mode.

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Post Posted September 13th, 2018, 4:30 pm

sepia wrote:
frg wrote:Well with Webassembly and service workers in the future no one needs to tell me about better security :)

Full Ack!
frg wrote:Personally i think they were discontinued so fast because they were unable to make all this work properly with e10s.

Waterfox works fine with all my legacy extensions in multi-process mode.



Good for you!

But what will you do when they stop working?

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Post Posted September 13th, 2018, 4:43 pm

The Mechanic wrote:
sepia wrote:Waterfox works fine with all my legacy extensions in multi-process mode.



Good for you!

But what will you do when they stop working?

Why should they to begin with?

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Post Posted September 13th, 2018, 4:54 pm

sepia wrote:
The Mechanic wrote:
sepia wrote:Waterfox works fine with all my legacy extensions in multi-process mode.



Good for you!

But what will you do when they stop working?

Why should they to begin with?


You do know that Waterfox uses Firefox code? Fudged somewhat but from Firefox code. And that sooner or later their code, when updated to follow The Internet, and changed by Mozilla will change something and that your extension(s) may no longer work?

Think about it. Stuff changes.

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Post Posted September 13th, 2018, 5:06 pm

The Mechanic wrote:You do know that Waterfox uses Firefox code? Fudged somewhat but from Firefox code. And that sooner or later their code, when updated to follow The Internet, and changed by Mozilla will change something and that your extension(s) may no longer work?

No matter what Mozilla does, it doesn't mean that it must impact a fork which uses their engines.
BTW, Waterfox still supports Windows XP despite of code changes made by Mozilla.

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Post Posted September 13th, 2018, 5:31 pm

BTW, Waterfox still supports Windows XP despite of code changes made by Mozilla.



Really? Why? No one else does.

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Post Posted September 13th, 2018, 6:02 pm

The Mechanic wrote:
BTW, Waterfox still supports Windows XP despite of code changes made by Mozilla.



Really?

Really.
The Mechanic wrote:Why? No one else does.

Just a wild guess - could it be that Windows XP is still used by some people?

New stats show Windows XP’s market share increased

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Post Posted September 13th, 2018, 6:22 pm

sepia wrote:
The Mechanic wrote:
BTW, Waterfox still supports Windows XP despite of code changes made by Mozilla.



Really?

Really.
The Mechanic wrote:Why? No one else does.

Just a wild guess - could it be that Windows XP is still used by some people?

New stats show Windows XP’s market share increased



Did you actually read that article?

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Post Posted September 14th, 2018, 12:27 pm

Waterfox works fine with all my legacy extensions in multi-process mode.

Pertinent part is, "my".
Multi-process breaks some or parts of some extensions.

BTW, Waterfox still supports Windows XP despite of code changes made by Mozilla.

How?
Seemingly some old version, 53.0.3 did?
Current looks to be Win7+ "6.1", & x64 at that, (& regardless of what their website might show [depending on how you look at it]).

Really? Why? No one else does [care].

I would, if it were available.
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.19) Gecko/20110420 SeaMonkey/2.0.14 Pinball CopyURL+ FetchTextURL FlashGot NoScript

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Post Posted September 14th, 2018, 2:00 pm

therube wrote:
Waterfox works fine with all my legacy extensions in multi-process mode.

Pertinent part is, "my".
Multi-process breaks some or parts of some extensions.

That's correct. Extensions must support multi-process, otherwise they won't work in multi-process mode.
therube wrote:
BTW, Waterfox still supports Windows XP despite of code changes made by Mozilla.

How?
Seemingly some old version, 53.0.3 did?
Current looks to be Win7+ "6.1", & x64 at that, (& regardless of what their website might show [depending on how you look at it]).

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Since I have no Windows XP I did never check if the download link for XP on the main page works.
I thought it were kind of a special maintained 52 ESR for XP. Checking now I realize that the link is not functional.

BTW, Waterfox got an update today, containing the latest security fixes of Firefox ESR.

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Post Posted September 15th, 2018, 7:43 am

No 32-bit version. Bummer. :(

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Post Posted September 15th, 2018, 8:33 am

Split from here: viewtopic.php?f=7&t=3041567

Please refrain from the thread hijacking.
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Post Posted September 15th, 2018, 8:51 am

As The Mechanic and therube point out your various flaws with Waterfox, I think you must remember that the Firefox code is massive. I'm glad and as I think the rest are, that there is room for Gecko. You must not forget that its much harder for smaller teams to keep up with security fixes. That's why I think its the safest way and best way to always support Mozilla's work on Firefox. The smaller forks as both of them have also pointed out, how long will they last?

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Post Posted September 15th, 2018, 10:25 am

from all alternatives Waterfox is the best choice. nevertheless when mozilla stopped 52esr there is no longer a current base to rely on - the gecko engine has to be maintained themself and/or fixes in servo have to be reversed down to gecko.
Since I have no Windows XP

there exist no reason since 4 years to keep windows xp, and Vista since a year as those are high vulnerable, xp has over 1500 flaws and vista flaws are growing. and NO browser in the world could fix it - even no antivirus is able to fix it. security is a great illusion on such systems.

btw multi-process is a feature introduced before quantum arrived. but not all legacy extensionw are usable in mp-mode.

Walton? dont know him, but maybe his family ^^
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cp7_u0kcQRo

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Post Posted September 15th, 2018, 10:59 am

Yes well said Brummelchen, Its all about keeping Gecko safe and up to date. Yes, still surprised people use those systems, very dangerous indeed.

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