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lion-ct
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Post Posted February 15th, 2006, 1:14 am

it seems that firefox is not leanient enough to "sloppy" (?) programmed websites.
i have more and more text overlaps i.e. within menu bars, from menu bars to text bodies, from descriptions in picture boxes which is overflowing into text bodies.
lines from separate text boxes is overflowing into main text and the like.

by checking the same websites with IE no such faults are present.
text in separate boxes gets propperly wrapped inside the box.

please note, it has nothing to do with enlarging the displayed text from a website.

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Post Posted February 15th, 2006, 1:19 am

It is exactly that, sloppy HTML. A classic example would be using

<img src="image location" align="left">
instead of
<div align="left"><img src="image location"></div>

lion-ct
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Post Posted February 15th, 2006, 2:22 am

hi monkeyman, sure, mozilla can not "educate" millions of web page writers, or "change" perhaps faults in webdesign programms.

so what is the answer ?

those display errors are obserevd from website of large corporations, automated entries which change hourly i.e from newscasters, broadcasters, financial institutions and the like.

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Post Posted February 15th, 2006, 2:28 am

I really don't have an answer for that. A couple of posts down I responded to a question about how come some buttons didn't work at the espn.com, which is a pretty major site, and after running it through the WC3 validator it came up with over 5,000 errors. :shock: I have to assume they use "professional" writers so, if this is what the pros are doing, maybe the situation is hopelessly broken. :?

lion-ct
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Post Posted February 15th, 2006, 10:21 am

for the ordinary user there might be only one answer: go back to billy's IE if you want to see your favourite websites "correctly" displayed, unless the firefox team is more lenient towards those programing flaws.
i am sure those buttons you mention work under IE.
it does not help to apply religiously all the rules 100% if the result is just not working.

incidentally i was using netscape since the beginning of www, from version 1.
were is netscape now ? gone !
endless proplems since netscape 6.....
if the mozilla team is making the same mistakes and not looking at the real world which exists out there the same will happen even faster.

there are millions of webpages out there which are only and exclusivly tested with IE, if they work, why bother for some flaws.

my friends which i wanted to convert to firefox tell me left right and center, "but your firefox can not even display the websites correct" ..... then, they use some functions wrongly like the minimum font size and wonder that the display gets even more messy.....

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Post Posted February 15th, 2006, 10:35 am

but your firefox can not even display the websites correct
Wrong, the coders cannot code properly for it to be displayed correctly in the first place.

Shit while were at it, why dont we loosen driving tests for all the retards that cant seem to drive without hitting walls.

If IE cant understand code, it MAKES IT UP, if it works to what you want, it works, if it dosent, screw you. There are industry standards out there, people have to follow them.

lion-ct
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Post Posted February 16th, 2006, 1:30 am

hi "Guest", now what is better for ANY user,

to have ones webpages displayed correctly and working properly by as you say "MAKES IT UP CODES", or put your head into the sand and dream religiously of industry standards ?

my quote from friends is right, your answer is wrong from an simple users point of view.

i say again: mozilla can not "educate" millions of web page writers, or "change" perhaps faults in webdesign programms.

and mozilla firefox is therfore not displaying webpages "correctly" compared to IE.

those simple "human" problems have to be addressed, no matter how, if one wants to gain success, even if it goes against your principles.

why is it always so difficult to discuss a real problem?
and having overlapping text on lots of webpages is a real problem.

must i be a guineapig for ever guided by purists while 90% of internet users enjoy no text overlapping?

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Post Posted February 16th, 2006, 2:06 am

The answer is simple use IE. Or report the webmaster for the site and tell them it doesn't display properly.
Standards are there for a reason. Microsoft refuses to follow them. Firefox market share is growing daily.
If webmasters want people to visit their pages they are going to have to learn how to code properly.
Market share in Europe is already over 30%.

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Post Posted February 16th, 2006, 2:17 am

so we're supposed to reverse engineer IE, and figure out what it does in every case? if you want firefox to do everything IE does exactly the way IE does it, why don't you just go use IE?

lion-ct
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Post Posted February 16th, 2006, 10:45 pm

folks, you are barking up the wrong tree.
i said i am using netscape since version 1.
industry standards are not cast in concrete, they have specs. and guidelines, no rigid doctrines.
the web is fast moving with html, xhtml, css, xml and much more.
industry standards must have tolerances.
so must have the "tools" used with those standards, in our case for writing and reading.

if you are driving on a 55 mph speed restricted road when do you expect to get a ticket or your car even impounded ?
with 55.01 already ?

to call this reverse engineering the IE is extremely far fetched, to say it mildly.
all i ask is take off the blinkers and allow for "tolerances".
think of the ordinary user which you want to convert from IE to firefox.

KWV
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Post Posted February 17th, 2006, 1:37 am

I fully agree with lion-ct as I experience the same problems daily.
As an ordinary user of the internet I couldn't give two hoots about the W3C standard or whatever standard. All that matters is a properly displayed website.
And for all those fx freaks I assure you one thing. As soon as MS issues a new version of the IE I will go back to IE.

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Post Posted February 17th, 2006, 2:10 am

Then I am a bit baffled as to why you are using Firefox in the first place. It should have taken you less than an hour to figure out "this isn't like Internet Explorer and I prefer IE so, this isn't the browser for me", uninstalled Firefox and got on with the rest of your life. Instead, here you are on some on line forum trying to convince a bunch of hard core geeks to change their ways. Was this really what you had in mind?

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