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Post Posted November 14th, 2002, 2:49 pm

Well I've been around in the mozilla community for a long time - but I havn't heared of this one.
have a look - cool app.
<a href="http://www.ghostzilla.com/">http://www.ghostzilla.com/</a>

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Post Posted November 16th, 2002, 11:39 pm

The guy who thought of this must be pretty ingenious indeed. I dont think I would use it...well maybe I will sometime :-)

I hadn't heard about this either....and I've been watching and using mozilla since almost the days of 0.6....boy, that was a long time ago!

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Post Posted November 17th, 2002, 10:24 pm

Wow, just downloaded it and messed around with it!
Shit, it has tabs support and everything! I wonder if you can load 1.0.X extensions into it? woudln't doubt?

kudos to this guy...
And awesome to see mozilla being made into apps like this!

update: Huh, you can even use it in Mozilla... ;-)

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Post Posted November 17th, 2002, 10:31 pm

Yeah, but isn't he playing hard-to-get with the source or something?

- Chris

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Post Posted November 17th, 2002, 11:28 pm

thumperward wrote:Yeah, but isn't he playing hard-to-get with the source or something?

- Chris


What do u mean?
The source can be downloaded from <a href="http://www.ghostzilla.com/source/ghostzilla-1.0-src.tar.bz2">here</a>.<br>
The thing I don't get is, what is the diff between Ghostzilla basic and Ghostzill Plus, that he talks about <a href="http://www.ghostzilla.com/source/index.html">here</a>.

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Post Posted November 17th, 2002, 11:45 pm

Seems the "plus" version is the one you can download...
who knows what the basic is (e-mail him and ask?).

On another note, the IDE Komodo from Active State;
http://www.activestate.com/Products/Komodo/?_x=1

how do they get away with using mozilla as it's core, and
1) Not giving there code away
2) selling the product

Have I missed something?

--Jed

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Post Posted November 18th, 2002, 2:36 am

I don't think that they have to. If I'm not mistaken GPL states that only changes that are made to the product itelf must be handed over back to the community.
What they did is used the product as is and build an application around it.

If anyone thinks/knows that I'm wrong - please correct me.

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Post Posted November 18th, 2002, 4:26 pm

Uhm, as I understand it, (almost; a few are still not relicensed) all Mozilla files use the tri-license (GPL/LGPL/MPL), which means that anyone wanting to use them can choose to use any one of those three licences. The MPL doesn't require the source-code to be made public. (After all, Netscape doesn't either...)
On the issue of the GPL - any product using GPL'ed code must make all source-code available (at (at maximum) the same prize as the binary files).

I'm sure I'm placing a few nuances wrong, but this should be more or less correct...

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Post Posted November 18th, 2002, 6:07 pm

jedbro wrote:Seems the "plus" version is the one you can download...
who knows what the basic is (e-mail him and ask?).

On another note, the IDE Komodo from Active State;
http://www.activestate.com/Products/Komodo/?_x=1

how do they get away with using mozilla as it's core, and
1) Not giving there code away
2) selling the product

Have I missed something?

--Jed


Yep. I think you missed something. The license only requires that you make available mods to Mozilla files. If you take Mozilla and add 1000 of your own files without altering any of the Mozilla files you don't have to offer anything back. If you do alter mozilla files then you have to make those publically available. Active state does even more than they have to (make it publically available). They file bugzilla bugs, attach patches and offer help in integrating their changes into the core of Mozilla. They contributed thousands of lines of code for python bindings for XPCOM. ActiveState developers have been very active in the Mozilla community and have made a great product using Mozilla technologies. I wish them nothing but the best in making as much money from that endeavor as possible.

--Asa

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Post Posted November 18th, 2002, 6:29 pm

Great to hear that about ActiveState!

Thanks for the clearups... i obviously did miss something!

cheers

--Jed

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Post Posted November 21st, 2002, 5:18 am

I contacted the guy who created Ghostzilla and asked him about the Plus and Basic versions.
This was his response:
"Ghostzilla "basic" is Ghostzilla Plus without support for secure connections
(SSL). I meant to give Ghostzilla Basic for free and sell Ghostzilla Plus for a
small fee, but then I decided what the heck, I'll just give all for free. It
would just be too much work (marketing etc.)."

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